Stacking is a controversial topic. any players do not want it to be around for balance reasons and others need it for their works to even function. It has been discussed many times and I will need a huge wall of text to properly justify it, even then it will be met with massive backlash.
As some of you might know, im working on a massive ship of indescribable proportions, known as Project Cataclysm, currently it is at 27 000 blocks and as of yet nowhere near done. 6+ km long, hundreds of hours spent already (its not even close to half done), already my most significant build. Even more time spent thinking of lore, the plot is HUGE. After that i plan even bigger ships. The point? it also relies heavily on stacking, as do most of my builds. If stacking is removed i might as well give up. My Halo MAC, my most popular workshop submission, also will not function. I have some strangely shaped ships in mind and because of this building normally is not enough to give it even viable stats. It cant go bigger either, because of the turret proportions (yes this is that important for the ship). I do not want to watch as many hundreds of hours building go to waste. Many other builders think the same.
Stacking allows ships with very overpowered stats. They also come at a massively increased price, disallowing the user to deploy other ships or upgrades. Most of the disadvantages of large ships apply to stacked ships such as crew pay costs. Not like your paying half credits for double performance. The same cost/power ratio. It does reduce the profile of your ship so its harder to hit. As for my builds, i will NOT stack to the point of "15 slot monster in the volume of a ship founding cube". The Cataclysm will remain 6+ km long, and turrets do not benefit the stats of your ship, no matter how stacked.
ik the devs are currently far from a fix, and this is unintended behavior, but it should be here to stay. Not in every server however, to make the PVP community happy, it should be a server.ini setting like customBlocksPerTurret and others. It should default to off to prevent new players doing it as well. (credit to Umbral Reaver for this idea). Those that want it enough to edit the server ini can have it, and those that dont want to PVP with it can join servers with the setting off. Those who want to PVP with stacking allowed can join a server that allows it. Everyone benefits.
Furthermore, its not only used for increasing stats. I have built a hangar which is functional yet contains modelled fighters inside for details otherwise impossible to achieve. Even the hologram block is stacked in the hangar block, as moving the camera around it can cause corners to appear unintentionally. It is also used for blockcount optimization, and building faster and easier, which have both been done in my Halo MAC mentioned earlier. I have another turret (2nd picture) that uses stacking to optimize blockcount. The section the camera is focused on is why the turret is less than 250 blocks. The visual glitching has been fixed by slightly expanding the glow ring.
I am not the only one whos builds would be rendered useless by this.
As many of you would know, i am very active on the Avorion Discord, with a grand total of almost 13 000 messages sent there at the time of writing this. We had some conversations regarding stacking too. Some important community members came such as Arakiss and Shadow Doctor K (SDK). I hope this can prove its an important part of many builders' build styles.
" I'd honestly probably stop playing the game if they nerfed the stacking. Mostly because their block balance is off, the game drives players into a single "I have big ship I win" mechanic and most of the game is superficial in regards to economy, trading or anything other then the straight line to the guardian to beat the game.
All of those are my personal opinion by the way." - SDK
"Well I can tell you my modding is tied to my willingness to play. Which is also tied to my willingness to use the ships I've created and enjoy flying. It's a slippery slope for me." - also SDK
"building and learning to build is extremely hard for me even simple shaping i cant even do half the time, what little motivation i had has been over the months been ruined by several people on my inability to get better at building, so i started to use a overlap block given to me that is a x8 corner overlap for use in internals, its for a time helped me not worry about the shape of my ships and let me move on but now the devs and admins on this discord are saying overlapping is a cheat or exploit and they might get rid of it some day, will kill 100% of my builds on the workshop, so you see this is why im giving up on building, creative freedom is at stake for me too." - Ren Atlas
"I believe them addressing this now is a mistake on their part. That they are affecting a majority, to satisfy a minority. The PvP community has always been the smallest, but also the loudest." - Scrounger Gaming
"The examples of how it can be used in a non-exploitative way far outweigh the examples of it being used in an exploitative way." - also Scrounger Gaming
"Also stacking just saves so much time instead of wasting my time filling ships with the same internals I’ve done 100 times now" - Arakiss
"The day stacking goes away it will be a sad day" - also Arakiss
I just spent many hours writing this, i should have been studying Chemistry, for a 3 hour exam in 2 days (here in Aus its known as the HSC). There goes todays 'free' time.
I hope, for the love of one of my favorite games i have ever seen, that this will at least go somewhere. Stacking is a vitally important part of many builders' ships.
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Stacking is a controversial topic. any players do not want it to be around for balance reasons and others need it for their works to even function. It has been discussed many times and I will need a huge wall of text to properly justify it, even then it will be met with massive backlash.
As some of you might know, im working on a massive ship of indescribable proportions, known as Project Cataclysm, currently it is at 27 000 blocks and as of yet nowhere near done. 6+ km long, hundreds of hours spent already (its not even close to half done), already my most significant build. Even more time spent thinking of lore, the plot is HUGE. After that i plan even bigger ships. The point? it also relies heavily on stacking, as do most of my builds. If stacking is removed i might as well give up. My Halo MAC, my most popular workshop submission, also will not function. I have some strangely shaped ships in mind and because of this building normally is not enough to give it even viable stats. It cant go bigger either, because of the turret proportions (yes this is that important for the ship). I do not want to watch as many hundreds of hours building go to waste. Many other builders think the same.
Stacking allows ships with very overpowered stats. They also come at a massively increased price, disallowing the user to deploy other ships or upgrades. Most of the disadvantages of large ships apply to stacked ships such as crew pay costs. Not like your paying half credits for double performance. The same cost/power ratio. It does reduce the profile of your ship so its harder to hit. As for my builds, i will NOT stack to the point of "15 slot monster in the volume of a ship founding cube". The Cataclysm will remain 6+ km long, and turrets do not benefit the stats of your ship, no matter how stacked.
ik the devs are currently far from a fix, and this is unintended behavior, but it should be here to stay. Not in every server however, to make the PVP community happy, it should be a server.ini setting like customBlocksPerTurret and others. It should default to off to prevent new players doing it as well. (credit to Umbral Reaver for this idea). Those that want it enough to edit the server ini can have it, and those that dont want to PVP with it can join servers with the setting off. Those who want to PVP with stacking allowed can join a server that allows it. Everyone benefits.
Furthermore, its not only used for increasing stats. I have built a hangar which is functional yet contains modelled fighters inside for details otherwise impossible to achieve. Even the hologram block is stacked in the hangar block, as moving the camera around it can cause corners to appear unintentionally. It is also used for blockcount optimization, and building faster and easier, which have both been done in my Halo MAC mentioned earlier. I have another turret (2nd picture) that uses stacking to optimize blockcount. The section the camera is focused on is why the turret is less than 250 blocks. The visual glitching has been fixed by slightly expanding the glow ring.
I am not the only one whos builds would be rendered useless by this.
As many of you would know, i am very active on the Avorion Discord, with a grand total of almost 13 000 messages sent there at the time of writing this. We had some conversations regarding stacking too. Some important community members came such as Arakiss and Shadow Doctor K (SDK). I hope this can prove its an important part of many builders' build styles.
" I'd honestly probably stop playing the game if they nerfed the stacking. Mostly because their block balance is off, the game drives players into a single "I have big ship I win" mechanic and most of the game is superficial in regards to economy, trading or anything other then the straight line to the guardian to beat the game.
All of those are my personal opinion by the way." - SDK
"Well I can tell you my modding is tied to my willingness to play. Which is also tied to my willingness to use the ships I've created and enjoy flying. It's a slippery slope for me." - also SDK
"building and learning to build is extremely hard for me even simple shaping i cant even do half the time, what little motivation i had has been over the months been ruined by several people on my inability to get better at building, so i started to use a overlap block given to me that is a x8 corner overlap for use in internals, its for a time helped me not worry about the shape of my ships and let me move on but now the devs and admins on this discord are saying overlapping is a cheat or exploit and they might get rid of it some day, will kill 100% of my builds on the workshop, so you see this is why im giving up on building, creative freedom is at stake for me too." - Ren Atlas
"I believe them addressing this now is a mistake on their part. That they are affecting a majority, to satisfy a minority. The PvP community has always been the smallest, but also the loudest." - Scrounger Gaming
"The examples of how it can be used in a non-exploitative way far outweigh the examples of it being used in an exploitative way." - also Scrounger Gaming
"Also stacking just saves so much time instead of wasting my time filling ships with the same internals I’ve done 100 times now" - Arakiss
"The day stacking goes away it will be a sad day" - also Arakiss
I just spent many hours writing this, i should have been studying Chemistry, for a 3 hour exam in 2 days (here in Aus its known as the HSC). There goes todays 'free' time.
I hope, for the love of one of my favorite games i have ever seen, that this will at least go somewhere. Stacking is a vitally important part of many builders' ships.
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